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Det er egentlig bare én løsning på dette, og det er å diske Guan.
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Re: Masters 2013
Jepp! I og for seg helt greit med tanke på dette:
"This revision to Decision 33-7/4.5 addresses the situation where a player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card. Under this revised decision and at the discretion of the Committee, the player still receives the penalty associated with the breach of the underlying Rule, but is not disqualified."
"This revision to Decision 33-7/4.5 addresses the situation where a player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card. Under this revised decision and at the discretion of the Committee, the player still receives the penalty associated with the breach of the underlying Rule, but is not disqualified."
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Re: Masters 2013
Er faktisk ikke enig. Det er ganske opplagt at han droppet på feil sted, og han burde visst det.veggiss wrote:Jepp! I og for seg helt greit med tanke på dette:
"This revision to Decision 33-7/4.5 addresses the situation where a player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card. Under this revised decision and at the discretion of the Committee, the player still receives the penalty associated with the breach of the underlying Rule, but is not disqualified."
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Re: Masters 2013
GMac summerer det greit opp: Take the fact that it was Tiger out of the equation and it is a fair ruling. Since it is him the debate begins about TV ratings etc etc.
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Re: Masters 2013
Tja, dersom Tiger trodde at ballen spratt rett tilbake fra flagget (mener jeg leste et sted at han hadde solen i øynene) og droppet i det han trodde var flagglinjen, så kan dette være greit.
Da er det mulig at "...player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card"
Da er det mulig at "...player is not aware he has breached a Rule because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to returning his score card"
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Re: Masters 2013
Skulle Tiger fortsette 3 runden, og ev. vinne turneringen burde det ikke være noe dårlig moralsk sett. For det første tviler jeg sterkt på at han prøvde å jukse.
For det andre har komiteen gitt han dommen. 2 straffeslag. Altså han fikk en" trippelbogey" på det hullet.
Han har dermed ikke fått noe fordel av den situasjonen. Han har bare hjulpet de andre spillerne til å få et forsprang. Skulle han derfor gå av med seieren er det en stor prestasjon uten noe "MEN" over.
Skulle Tiger derimot helt bevisst jukset, stiller det seg helt annet. Da skal han selvfølgelig bli disket.
Skulle han diskvalifisere seg selv, får han vel positiv PR.
Har han ikke trodd han gjorde noe feil, tror jeg han driter i den PRèn. Time will show
For det andre har komiteen gitt han dommen. 2 straffeslag. Altså han fikk en" trippelbogey" på det hullet.
Han har dermed ikke fått noe fordel av den situasjonen. Han har bare hjulpet de andre spillerne til å få et forsprang. Skulle han derfor gå av med seieren er det en stor prestasjon uten noe "MEN" over.
Skulle Tiger derimot helt bevisst jukset, stiller det seg helt annet. Da skal han selvfølgelig bli disket.
Skulle han diskvalifisere seg selv, får han vel positiv PR.
Har han ikke trodd han gjorde noe feil, tror jeg han driter i den PRèn. Time will show
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Re: Masters 2013
Det er dårleg tolking av regelen. Om du les den ordrett, samt kva som er grunnlaget for at dei laga regelen, så er det etter mi meining ganske klart at han burde blitt diskvalifisert. Det handlar ikkje om han gjorde det med vilje eller ei. Du ser ikkje profesjonelle jukse med vilje så ofte. Han har fått ein stor fordel av å få to straffeslag i staden for diskvalifisering.
Re: Masters 2013
Augusta National Competition Committee Chairman Fred Ridley issued the following statement on Saturday regarding the ruling:
“Yesterday afternoon, the Rules Committee was made aware of a possible Rules violation that involved a drop by Tiger Woods on the 15th hole.
“In preparation for his fifth shot, the player dropped his ball in close proximity to where he had played his third shot in apparent conformance with Rule 26. After being prompted by a television viewer, the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.
“After he signed his scorecard, and in a television interview subsequent to the round, the player stated that he played further from the point than where he had played his third shot. Such action would constitute playing from the wrong place.
“The subsequent information provided by the player’s interview after he had completed play warranted further review and discussion with him this morning. After meeting with the player, it was determined that he had violated Rule 26, and he was assessed a two-stroke penalty. The penalty of disqualification was waived by the Committee under Rule 33 as the Committee had previously reviewed the information and made its initial determination prior to the finish of the player’s round.”
Komiteen ble faktiskt oppringt før Tiger var ferdig med runden igår. De så på situasjonen og mente at han ikke hadde gjort noe ureglementert. Etter å ha hørt intervjuet med Tiger etter runden, ombestemte de seg etter det Tiger sa. De burde da for all del stoppet skikkelig opp når de fikk beskjed, fått Tiger til å revurdere scorekortet før signering. Da hadde det ikke blitt noe spørsmål om diskvalifisering.
Viser hvor han droppet.
Hvite pilen er det første slaget, som også viser retningen den går i vannet på.
Hvite sirkelen er hvor han kunne ha valgt å droppe fra eller bakover fra den retningen.
Gule er det slaget han slo etter droppen.
“Yesterday afternoon, the Rules Committee was made aware of a possible Rules violation that involved a drop by Tiger Woods on the 15th hole.
“In preparation for his fifth shot, the player dropped his ball in close proximity to where he had played his third shot in apparent conformance with Rule 26. After being prompted by a television viewer, the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.
“After he signed his scorecard, and in a television interview subsequent to the round, the player stated that he played further from the point than where he had played his third shot. Such action would constitute playing from the wrong place.
“The subsequent information provided by the player’s interview after he had completed play warranted further review and discussion with him this morning. After meeting with the player, it was determined that he had violated Rule 26, and he was assessed a two-stroke penalty. The penalty of disqualification was waived by the Committee under Rule 33 as the Committee had previously reviewed the information and made its initial determination prior to the finish of the player’s round.”
Komiteen ble faktiskt oppringt før Tiger var ferdig med runden igår. De så på situasjonen og mente at han ikke hadde gjort noe ureglementert. Etter å ha hørt intervjuet med Tiger etter runden, ombestemte de seg etter det Tiger sa. De burde da for all del stoppet skikkelig opp når de fikk beskjed, fått Tiger til å revurdere scorekortet før signering. Da hadde det ikke blitt noe spørsmål om diskvalifisering.
Viser hvor han droppet.
Hvite pilen er det første slaget, som også viser retningen den går i vannet på.
Hvite sirkelen er hvor han kunne ha valgt å droppe fra eller bakover fra den retningen.
Gule er det slaget han slo etter droppen.
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Re: Masters 2013
Fantastisk tweet av McDowell:
@Graeme_McDowell: We spend all day aiming at these flags and when you do actually hit one, nothing good normally happens!!
@Graeme_McDowell: We spend all day aiming at these flags and when you do actually hit one, nothing good normally happens!!
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Re: Masters 2013
Når får vi se at flaggstengene blir byttet ut mot laserflaggstang eller noe lignende:)PlayerG wrote:Da tapte han altså 4 slag på å treffe flaggstangen........
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Re: Masters 2013
Tiger Woods på Twitter:
@TigerWoods
At hole #15, I took a drop that I thought was correct and in accordance with the rules. I was unaware at that time I had violated any rules.
Han virker ærlig og jeg tviler på at han vil trekke seg nå. Er dere enig?
@TigerWoods
At hole #15, I took a drop that I thought was correct and in accordance with the rules. I was unaware at that time I had violated any rules.
Han virker ærlig og jeg tviler på at han vil trekke seg nå. Er dere enig?
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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
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vBildoy wrote:Tiger Woods på Twitter:
@TigerWoods
At hole #15, I took a drop that I thought was correct and in accordance with the rules. I was unaware at that time I had violated any rules.
Han virker ærlig og jeg tviler på at han vil trekke seg nå. Er dere enig?
Enten lyger han, eller så kan han ikke reglene, ellers så har han fått heteslag/panikk eller blitt forvirretTiger intervju wrote:"So I went back to where I played it from, but I went two yards farther back and I tried to take two yards off the shot of what I felt I hit."
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Keyser: Tror du oppriktig at Tiger bevisst ville prøve å jukse til seg en meter på droppen?
Uten tvil et skikkelig hjernedrypp fra hans side, hvorfor han gjorde som han gjorde vet bare han, men han ble straffet for det...spesielt med tanke på at han mest sannsynlig hadde gått av med en birdie hadde han ikke truffet stangen.
Uten tvil et skikkelig hjernedrypp fra hans side, hvorfor han gjorde som han gjorde vet bare han, men han ble straffet for det...spesielt med tanke på at han mest sannsynlig hadde gått av med en birdie hadde han ikke truffet stangen.
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Re: Masters 2013
Nei jeg tror ikke han jukset, og jeg tror han kan reglene.
Retter forrige innlegg til "Enten lyger han, eller så kan han ikke reglene, ellers så har han fått heteslag/panikk eller blitt forvirret"...
Retter forrige innlegg til "Enten lyger han, eller så kan han ikke reglene, ellers så har han fått heteslag/panikk eller blitt forvirret"...
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Blir resultatet av dette at alle i fremtiden kan hevde at de "ikke visste at de gjorde noe galt"? Og dermed slippe straff?
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Jafuru wrote:Blir resultatet av dette at alle i fremtiden kan hevde at de "ikke visste at de gjorde noe galt"? Og dermed slippe straff?
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